How do people make this huge decision? I’d be willing to go back to school to get some actual applicable skills, but I just have absolutely zero clue what would be appealing to me.
EDIT: For everyone telling me to just try a bunch of new positions, I’ve been trying to do this, and have sent out over 500 applications to a wide range of industries, with zero callbacks. Employers here aren’t willing to take a risk with an untrained new hire, and most entry level positions require at least 3 years of experience.
level 1
152 points · 9 months ago
A lot don’t, some don’t decide till later, some go with what fits their economic needs, and others let passion drive them. The medical feild always has a need.
level 2
103 points · 9 months ago
I’d say most dont. A lot of us just end up filling voids because we were in the right place at the right time and decided we liked what we were doing.
Very few people in the world are doing what they were destined to do or made that decision at a young age and stuck with it forever.
Also – no decision is permanent in the working world. People switch roles, industries and change careers regularly. There’s nothing that says because you started in zoology doesnt mean you couldnt one day switch to marketing. It’s all about how you spin your experience when you present yourself.
level 3
26 points · 9 months ago
I think we as a society have fallen into this mindset that your work is going to be the most fulfilling thing in your life. Maybe to cope with the fact that we spend so much time doing it to survive.
But as soon as I let go of that idea after getting a useless degree in a field I was passionate in, I really found some satisfaction by seeing my job as a means to get what I want, not the thing I want itself.
I interviewed for anything that called me back, even if I knew I didn’t want it or wasn’t qualified. It gave me good practice in selling the qualifications I have to fit what a company needs. I finally landed a job that didn’t make me want to kill myself, and started focusing on life outside of work. Developing hobbies, planning and actually using my PTO, just in general not stressing about my professional life when I was living my personal one.
I still think I’m good at my job and don’t get me wrong, I do what I need to prove I’m valuable to the company so I can get a better position (which means more resources to do what I want). But my job is no longer my purpose or my mental priority. I think if more people realized this, they’d be happier.
level 4
1 point · 9 months ago
I think we as a society have fallen into this mindset that your work is going to be the most fulfilling thing in your life. Maybe to cope with the fact that we spend so much time doing it to survive.
this is so well put
unfortunately i just dont get how is it possible to enjoy your life outside of work because i have almost no time left for myself and im only working 40 hours a week.. i just dont know how others do it
level 3
17 points · 9 months ago
It’ll always kill me to know I’m not doing what I think I was meant to do. I’m ABSOLUTELY passionate about physiology, so I really think I’ll enjoy nursing school and then CRNA after that, but, as stupid and pointless as it sounds, I feel like I was meant to be a football coach.
I mean, I still do plan on coaching, but I think I have enough potential to make it all the way (but would never risk my career for it, which is why I wouldn’t).
level 3
4 points · 9 months ago
Very few people in the world are doing what they were destined to do.
There’s no such thing as being destined to do anything. That’s a foolish thing to believe.
You can do anything you set your mind to and that your environment (society/etc) allows you to do.
It comes down to willpower but indeed, most people dont have it.
level 6
1 point · 9 months ago
Maybe not so much as destiny but I do believe that everyone has a purpose. It’s just identifying what that is in an evermore technologically driven world.
level 2
18 points · 9 months ago
The medical feild always has a need.
Thats a need from the health services side but not for the medical research/innotivation side. I’ve been trying to get into the medical field as a software engineer (because I want to work with medical devices) and they reject my applications (meaning no interview whatsoever) probably because they want engineering majors for those software roles.
level 4
2 points · 9 months ago
Just to name one of them, Johnson & Johnson. I’m referring to the medical device industry specifically dealing with electronics that utilize some type of intelligent automation process (i.e. uses software to precisely inject medication/IV into a patient).
level 5
3 points · 9 months ago
Ah gotcha. But why would they not count software engineering as an engineering major? I thought software engineering and comp sci were different
level 6
3 points · 9 months ago
so the job position is software engineering but they want electrical/computer/biomedical engineers. I personally think its because they don’t want to hire separate teams to handle software and hardware and would rather just hire someone who can do both.
level 1
57 points · 9 months ago
Some people never find it…some have known since they were a kid. It’s a never ending journey I think to find something we’re good at and satisfies us.
level 2
42 points · 9 months ago
When I was in the 3rd grade the teacher went around the room and asked people what they wanted to be when they grew up. After much contemplation – I answered “I don’t like anything and I can’t imagine being an adult so I’ll probably be dead by then”. I got sent to the counselors office. At the age of 34 I find myself working in the mental health field. If my career ever fell apart I’d go back to school to be a therapist.
level 3
3 points · 9 months ago
Jesus H Christ.
This sounds exactly like me and I don’t know if it’s amazing to have found a kindred spirit or thoroughly terrifying.
If you do go back to be a therapist, please please be as amazing as you sound. I could’ve used someone like that when I was in school and lost.
level 1
37 points · 9 months ago
Keep trying things until you get closer and closer to something you can do long-term! My career started in healthcare, then I realized I didn’t have the patience for patients, moved over to healthcare administration, then just business administration, then got into project management, and now I’m pretty happy as a project manager! And shoot… I’m almost 30 and just started flying airplanes and might start working towards a career as a commercial pilot! Don’t rush to make a decision just because you turned 18 and are technically an adult now. Life takes time to figure out 🙂
level 2
8 points · 9 months ago
I’m looking to get in to Business Administration or Business Analytics, but my background is unique and hard to quantify. How did you transition outside of your realm?
level 3
5 points · 9 months ago
I was lucky enough to work at a huge university hospital so I kind of inched my way out of healthcare one position at a time. I went from CNA, to unit secretary, unit secretary to clinical coordinator, then to administrative assistant, then to project coordinator. One thing that I think really helped is I would ask my manager for duties related to what I was interested in doing next so I had some relatable experience for the job I wanted to apply to next.
For instance when I was an admin assistant I asked/offered to take little odd jobs and projects off my managers lap and not only did she love it, she ended up giving me a great reference for a project management related job.
Mind you this all took some time as I stayed in each position at least 1.5 years.
level 4
3 points · 9 months ago
I currently work at a university hospital and hope to do the same thing soon! Thank you for the inspiration, I am looking to get my MHA part-time and work my way out of clinical research!
level 2
Original Poster6 points · 9 months ago
I’m sorry, I think I worded my post strangely. I’m 26 now and finished a masters degree in history. I’m saying it’s strange that we as a society expect 18 year olds to make that decision.
I’ve been trying things out, but after ending my most recent position, I haven’t had a single callback or request for interviews despite sending out hundreds of applications
level 3
13 points · 9 months ago
I’m 26 and lost too. Everyone tells you “you’re so young, you’ll figure it out” but I’ll be damned if it feels that way.
level 4
Original Poster5 points · 9 months ago
Yeah and that’s the thing, HOW are we supposed to figure it out? It’s not really possible to try things out without experience or training in the particular field
level 5
3 points · 9 months ago
I’ve been taking random online Udemy classes to see if something sparks an interest in me. At this point, I don’t really give a hoot what I do if I can bring in some decent money. I just want economic stability.
level 7
3 points · 9 months ago
I’m really good with my hands. I can learn just about anything if I get to use my hands, but I struggle to learn in other traditional ways. I’ve been working on cars since age 12. Any recommendations? Haha.
level 9
1 point · 9 months ago · edited 9 months ago
Yes, my dream was to own or work in a hotrod shop. But the poverty/lifestyle I saw them in scared me away.
level 8
1 point · 9 months ago
Working on cars is fun, no doubt. However being a regular mechanic doesn’t seem to pay much. Diesel mechanics and specialized engine repair can be lucrative. If you want the potential to earn a greater income or have an array of job options I’d recommend learning to weld. Machining and fabricating are good too. Carpentry, scaffolding, electrician. What’s great about trades is they all can blend and work together. So as you learn you can adapt to other specializations and create tangible production. Do some research, find what you might like, get a mentor, join a class, and/or get some tools and go at it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SkilledTradesNetwork/wiki/community_listing#wiki_metalworks
level 4
2 points · 9 months ago
29 in two months and in the same state of mind too. I just started this Position as Office Manager in April. I hate it. I’m miserable. I sit in a white box all day alone. My boss is a absolute dick and there’s no stimulation. My background has been retail and minor restaurant experience up until this job. I want out. I want to see people and talk to people and not be scared every time my boss shows his face, texts me or calls me.
Where do I go?
level 3
0 points · 9 months ago
I mean, you technically don’t. There is nothing stopping anyone in this subreddit from learning the skills nessecary to run off into the wilderness and build your own house, grow your own food, and not pay any bills or work any job. You’d have to sacrifice a lot, and live like it’s 1880, but if you wanted to you could opt-out of society.
level 2
2 points · 9 months ago
Industrial designer, worked in the furniture business climbed to be an design manager, then project manager, then I got fired because of the trade wars with China, 31 just finished my MBA, working corporate at a very respectable company, doing a recent grad job, not doing any design at all, it’s kinda sad,feels like no company would hire me as a designer,but already looking to climb up, company requirements asks for 1 year in a position before moving up, already looking to move abroad.
level 2
1 point · 8 months ago
I feel relieved to know that there are many out there just like me. I hope I find my way eventually 😀
level 1
20 points · 9 months ago
We don’t, really. Just remember that doing nothing is the worst thing you can do. If you try something and realize you don’t like it, that’s ok. At least now you know what you don’t want. Notch that experience and move to the next thing.
You don’t want to be 60 and say, “I wish I would have…”
level 2
Original Poster7 points · 9 months ago
What if I wanted to try teaching, for example, which in Canada requires two years of additional college? I just find most of the things I’d like to try out have a large time commitment. I just feel like I’ve already wasted so much of my life humming and hawing
level 3
10 points · 9 months ago
You can find out if you like teaching by volunteering in after school programs for disadvantaged kids or even tutoring. Lots of parents can’t get through their kids’ homework and will happily pay someone else to do the “hard” work. This is particularly true for STEM subjects and classical subjects like English composition.
level 3
2 points · 9 months ago
Can you volunteer to be a teaching assistant?
Do you have any hobbies that you’re good enough at that you could teach someone brand new how to make a start for an hour?
Use that energy that you’re spending finding reasons why NOT to do something and start thinking about what you COULD do. Then do some of them.
level 4
Original Poster1 point · 9 months ago
I do have experience as a teaching assistant during my masters, but it was a little bit different dealing with university students as it would be school aged children, I imagine.
level 3
1 point · 9 months ago
If you don’t make a choice and try something you’re going to be in this same place two years from now.
level 1
17 points · 9 months ago · edited 9 months ago
What you want to do depends on your goals in life. Some people go into professions to reach their economic goals while for others it’s passion. There are two ways that helped me figure out what I wanted to do. I had the same question as you for all my life up until now in my mid-twenties; I finally made sense of it.
The first way is to start with what you know:
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Think of what you’re good at/enjoy and translate these areas into jobs (e.g. ‘I’m good at simplifying and explaining things to people’ could translate to a teaching job).
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Make a career path map by researching into each job’s trajectory (e.g. teaching job: Teacher > Professor > Curriculum Design & Developer > Director of Education…) and the education you need to get to wherever you want to get on this map.
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Now you have a clear picture of what you want to do and how you will get there.
The second way is more to do with financial goals:
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What are your short or long term goals? (e.g. I want to save ‘x’ amount of $ to purchase a home).
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Work out the math related to 1-2 of your goals.
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Make a list of jobs that you can get with your qualifications and keep in mind the salary you need to achieve your goal(s).
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If you find that you’re not qualified for that salary job, jot down the requirements and this will be the start to your career plan.
Remember, you don’t have to just stick to ONE thing for the rest of your life. Many people switch in/out of careers throughout their lifetime. Some people substitute their passion with volunteer work because their field is not sustainable and work a tolerable job to support themselves/achieve their goals; it’s up to you what you really want to do with your life.
I think the most important thing is to start somewhere with some kind of a plan and see where that takes you. Nobody is ever 100% satisfied in their job, there’ll be days you’ll hate working and days that you’ll love. It’s a matter of what struggles you’re willing to put yourself through and live through them positively. As Mark Manson says:
“Don’t hope for a life without problems. There’s no such thing. Instead, hope for a life full of good problems.”
level 2
1 point · 9 months ago
Currently I have hard time deciding financially what job path to go(long essay lol).
My goal is to have net worth of 25-30 milion left for my children (if I ever have them) or family. So they don’t need to struggle like I did.Althought I’m awere it is probably totally unreachable.
I have three options(and I’m interested in each besides money).Medicine,tech or finances.
Here is how I see it and what I have seen from expirence,I would love to hear your opinion.
I live in Eu so it isn’t exactly the same pay wise comapred to America except some medical specialties.
Here is my view of each option from least likely to lead me to my goal to most likely.
Least likely to lead me to 25+ milion dollars net worth is imo tech. I know there are people who make insane amounts in it but it’s super rare.What I have seen from expirence of all people I know, it’s very hard to move up to big pay. Out of 4 friends (not friends but I know them) who are in it and 2 family members their salary ranges from 70k(least siscessful) to 350k(very talented most sussceful). They all work very hard but none of them would ever reach my goal as it is for now.Pro of teach: Future/Con of tech: if salary doesn’t sky rocket in future and I don’t have insane luck I will never reach my goal.
More likely option and second place is ecnomcis and finances. People on Reddit and internet say that it’s best path to making milions but I don’t see it unless again you have luck. Out of dozen people I know about who have gone down this path (investment banking, marketing, manager ect.) some make 70-90k most in range 100-300k and one around half a million a year he says (maybe bit more) near 40 year old and he was well connected . None made it big enough to become MD in big bank and make milions or hudge fund manager. Pros of economy: potential to earn insane amounts if lucky or very well connected Cons: big chance to never make it big, automation.
And now comes the choice I have put as number one which I could be totally wrong but on average of people I know specialized surgeons make the most. You need to have intelligence and work hard I know. But out of three surgeons i heard about from my town (two orthopedic and one neurosurgeon) who went to Switzerland (it is popular option) none makes below 500k, one makes 600-700k(family friend) and other two(neuro and orthopedic) from people that know them well who work harder than first make 1+ milion(orthopedic with sucessful clinic maybe even near 2 milion).Which makes specialized surgery closest thing that can lead me to goal I mentioned. It is still very unlikely (because you start in your mid 30s here in Eu and can reach one milion or more salary only around 40) that with this you could reach 25 milion but still much more likely than other options. Cons: Extremely hard but very possible if you are willing to sacrifice Pros: Much more likely than other options to lead you to 1milion+ salary if you work Extremely hard.
level 3
1 point · 9 months ago
Firstly, I’d like to commend you on the deep thought process. Bravo!
I think you might need to be a little more honest with yourself. You say you want to gain a net worth of 25mil.+ yet you’ve already denied the possibility by saying it’s unreachable. Since you hold little to no hope of it, I don’t see a point in outlining a path for it. Perhaps, you can revise your financial goal, one you truly believe in, with a higher achievability potential and start from there.
One thing I found interesting was that you still laid out this thought process and evaluated both the pros and cons of your options even though you deemed your goal to be “unreachable.” I noticed that you emphasized the need for working extremely hard in each case and it makes me wonder whether you really think your financial goal is unreachable or you’re just struggling to accept the fact that hard work needed. You’ve also mentioned you know people in each case and I think you should reach out to them to enquire about the extent of the “hard work”, education and qualifications needed for success. I think then you’ll have a clearer idea of which route to take or none at all.
Just a general note, I think it’s important to keep in mind that it’ll be difficult for anyone to reach their financial goal(s) if they don’t know how to manage their finances despite making a million-dollar+ salary. Don’t stay too focused on the number of zeros to your salary but look at the potential earning it has through investment options.
Nonetheless, thank you for sharing and I really hope you’ll come up with a decision. Remember not to rush and really take your time in researching your options.
level 4
2 points · 9 months ago
Thank you.
I really hope I find road that I can endure.
I also wish you the best on your road.
level 2
1 point · 9 months ago
To expand on that answer, I’d recommend reading this book: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/549008.The_Pathfinder
level 3
1 point · 9 months ago
I’m always looking for good books to read. Thanks for the recommendation!
level 4
2 points · 9 months ago
You offered a number of “clues” to finding the right career, such as questions to ask.
This book greatly expands on that and offers hundreds of such clues. Well worth a read.
level 1
8 points · 9 months ago
You may find out, but it may take a lot of working random jobs and being self reflective.
I’m 28 so not exactly old but 10 years into my career as someone who didn’t go to higher education because I didn’t know what I wanted to do. It was the right choice and I don’t regret that decision.
I’ve spent years trying out different jobs, being really annoyed that I didn’t know what I wanted to do, but in the last couple of years I started trying to work out what I was good at AND what I enjoyed.
I knew from college that I liked debating and asking ‘but why?’ in Philosophy class. At work I realised that I am very process minded when I would get excited trying to improve processes/tools I used to be more efficient. While working a job that broke my confidence and caused me to sob at the prospect of going in, I found the only part of my job I enjoyed was talking to customers about the problems they have and communicating their requests to the development team. It was then I found out about business analysis and for the first time in my career I thought ‘THAT is what I want to do!’
Even then, it took the best part of a year. At least 50 applications, 40 ghostings, 3 responses and 2 interviews, but last week I started my first week as a Junior BA and after a couple days of feeling like an imposter, I’ve started to settle in and I’m loving it.
People worry that they need to take the quickest route to finding the job which gives them the challenges they enjoy. It’s not important. You can retrain and while you may not be top of everyone’s pile without a targeted qualification and prior experience, if you really want it and show enthusiasm and genuinely believe ‘hey, this job is me all over’ you’ll get on the rung.
Unless you want to be a doctor or whatever. Then it’s a ballache even if you knew when you were 14.
level 1
6 points · 9 months ago
Most people don’t decide to do one thing for the rest of your life. That may have beeen the case in the past but these days, people go through several careers in their lifetime and that is ok. There’s so much more different jobs and roles to choose from and people’s interest and skills change as they grow older.
Do a bit of research into the different type of jobs available to you and see what would interest you. Sometimes a job is just a job, and it’s just to make money and pay the bills until you find another better one – that’s ok too. Think of it as a journey and accumulation of experience through doing all kinds of jobs and you’ll be less pressured to find that perfect job.
level 2
Original Poster6 points · 9 months ago
The main issue I find is that a lot of positions require specific schooling and certifications, which is usually a multi year commitment to do something you’ve never even tried yet. I find it’s very rare that companies offer training.
level 3
3 points · 9 months ago
That’s the way it works now unfortunately – socialise cost, privatise profit. Why pay for a staff’s entry level skills when they can get it free from pre-trained staff? There might be trades you can get into w/o training but if 9 jobs out of 10 require schooling/certification, then unfortunately there is no choice but to go the same path and compete with the rest. This is not meant to sound harsh, but it’s just reality these days.
level 1
6 points · 9 months ago
My uncle told me when I was 17 “just pick something that pays well and go for it”. I did the same, I don’t like my job, I don’t hate it. It’s simply a job, but right out of school I’m making 80k a year and that gives me the freedom to do things I actually want to do like go on 3 weeks vacation a year, have a kick ass pc. I can go to the bar or out to eat without really thinking about it because I’m not financially strained. This really worked for me. If you’re someone who won’t be able to do a job they find meh or dislike this method could be difficult to maintain.
level 2
2 points · 9 months ago
What degree was that? I need some ideas. 29 and wanting to change careers. Thinking of trying to get some sort of bachelor’s online. Only have my associates
level 2
1 point · 9 months ago
that gives me the freedom to do things I actually want to do like go on 3 weeks vacation a year,
Damn it feels so bad to listen to this as a European when most Europeans regardless of jobs have such benefits and much much more.
level 1
5 points · 9 months ago
Experience is really the only way to figure it out. Which is why it’s so silly to force an 18-year-old, who has maybe only worked low level service jobs, to plan the rest of their lives.
It took me a couple years into my career to realize I didn’t want to follow the path I was on and then a few more years after that to figure out what direction I did want to follow and then another year or two after that to figure out a new path. Basically it wasn’t until my mid-30s that I felt really sure about my career. And who knows, in another few years, I could change my mind.
level 1
5 points · 9 months ago
This may be a different take and whether it resonates with you is entirely dependent on your lifestyle, family aspirations, perceived needs and support while obtaining marketable skills.
Truth is not everybody has to have a career or a defined path on what to do for the next 10-20-30 years. It is always preferable to be obtaining skills of some sort, whether by schooling, work or training of course but your profession can change at any point in your life if you value experiences over money. There is much to be said on the life behind what one does to earn a living, from your post I get the impression you are not the type to happily drone out a Mon-Fri 9-5 just so you can have a stable household or travel occasionally and splurge on the weekends. Of course your life can always fall somewhere in between but the balance is found by exploring new things, try volunteering, working gigs, internships even, do some introspection to found what REALLY calls to you. Once you do, find someone that you can trust and talk with them. If they really listen they can help you ground that crazy idea you had into something that kinda aligns with the path you have traced so far. You sound young, I would guess around 25. There’s a whole life ahead of you to make mistakes and figure things out so long as you allow yourself to make such mistakes and are paying attention to yourself and the feedback your surroundings give to you.
That being said I would highly advise you against staying in a secure job that offers nothing new to you just because it pays the bills. That is how people end up being burned out, realize they never took the chances to do much needed exploration and finding they wasted plenty of years of their life.
Hope you don’t find this too abstract but with these things it really boils down to your own self.
level 1
6 points · 9 months ago
Don’t ask yourself “what do I want to do with my life” ask yourself “how do I want to live my life”. If a lot of vacation time/time off is most important look into jobs that give you that. Being a teacher in the USA is a 10 month a year job. If time off isn’t paramount but having flexibility to set your schedule or work remotely jobs related to web development or marketing often have those options, and if less time off but having more money to spend when you do get the time off look into jobs with high growth opportunities or that require more education but pay off in the end. For example, engineering, law, or medical school.
At the end of the day any job or career you have will always be “work” even if it is something you absolutely love, and to be fair most people don’t do something they love. Asking yourself “how you want to live” at a young age helps you determine what you value most and let’s you learn the skills or knowledge necessary to be able to attain a position that lets you live how you want.
I went to school for sport management thinking “I love sports”, after graduating I realized that even though I love sports, the jobs in this industry are often very low paying, grueling hours, and not actually related to sport except for the fact that to you happen to work in sales for a sport team. I’m now finding my self that I want the freedom to work remotely, giving myself the power to work on the road, in a van or a different state each month. I’m currently teaching my self the skills to be a web developer not necessarily because I grew up wanting more than anything to create a website but more importantly because it will allow me to make a living and still live my life with more freedom and adventure.
level 1
5 points · 9 months ago · edited 9 months ago
For me it’s more about what I can tolerate. Through trial and error you can see what you prefer to do. Do you like working with your hands? With people? Sitting at a computer with minimal social interaction? Driving? So many things you can do. Some are easier to get hired. There is a guide called the Occupational Outlook Handbook from the US govt that gives an overview of different industries and jobs including the necessary training and ease of getting a job. Go for something that’s forecast to be in high demand and you won’t worry about finding work.
I had a career in urban/transit planning that lasted 7 years until I couldn’t handle working in an office anymore. (Later I started a nonprofit in the field.) Then I didn’t know what to do, so i walked into Trader Joe’s and they hired me, which helped my confidence and paid the rent. Then I drove a pedicab for a while on and off, shuffling through various delivery jobs including being a mail carrier. I found that Although delivery jobs can be challenging, I like moving around, getting exercise and working independently, and I can tolerate the driving. Another thing I prefer is not working (ie taking time off). I found those jobs pretty easy to find and get hired so I started to take a few months off whenever i got tired of working. A few years ago I heard that driving a big bus was in high demand so I found a seasonal job that offered the necessary training, and now I work seasonal jobs in the industry and move often. It pays a lot better than the other options.
All this is to suggest that you experiment for while and see what works for you. If you keep your living costs low, you’ll be able to live on less than a lot of people who refuse to take entry level or unskilled jobs.
level 1
5 points · 9 months ago
So what I’ve heard is that you know what to do based on a whisper. It’s always something you’re slightly better at doing (better could also mean you’re the only person on your team who doesn’t hate a task) and you kinda follow that.
I joined my company as an admin (took a huge pay cut) only because they are who they are. When I joined I had accounting/analytics as a background and quickly got put to work in more complex matters than just admin. Now I kinda found a niche in supply chain audit only because nobody else wants to do it.
Do I LOOOOOVE it? Not really. Do I hate it? Not at all. I work 35hrs avg and never go home hating my life. I also got here because I 50% followed my gut and 50% picked a stable section of the workforce. Combined I got a really cool company and I do something I can take anywhere if let go tomorrow.
Find something that doesn’t make you hate your life and that’s competitively sustainable for you – money and task wise.
level 3
12 points · 9 months ago
Think of three things you might want to do? Narrow down if you like to be indoors or outdoors? At a desk or not? Regular hours or not? In an office or remote?
level 3
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5 points · 9 months ago
Try it.
No, I’m serious and not trying to make a smart-ass comment. Because that’s how I landed my job as an in-house marketer/designer. Before that, I majored in International Business and had only working experience as a salesman. This is how it went:
I did my saleswork at 3 companies (real estate, office supply, language center) and realized that how much I HATE sales job. I persuading people into buying stuff that even I don’t want to buy, or making small talks to “win over” others, reaching the quotas…
But then I tried my hand on Adobe Illustrator to create more contents (when I worked as a salesman for the language center). I made posters, brochure, flyers…
At this point, I thought that I like DIGITAL MARKETING.
So I’ve applied for a new job which is my current one. But after working for awhile wearing various hats (copy writing, running ads, managing websites, email marketing…) I’ve learned that:
I don’t really like digital marketing, what I like is GRAPHIC DESIGN.
As many have known, marketing is more than just being efficient as certain tools or channels (Facebook Ads, Google ads…) but more about building a strategy to understand the market the best ways to approach it. I’m already tired just by thinking about it.
But for graphic design, I feel like I want to learn more about it. It’s a job that I can work for hours without hating my life. While learning it can be difficult for a self-learner like me, I also find it interesting rather than just a chore like other fields (marketing, sales,…)
So that’s why when you THINK you like something, you MUST ACTUALLY DO IT for a period of time to test whether it’s true or not. Hope this helps.
level 4
Original Poster2 points · 9 months ago
My issue is, I’ve been applying to literally HUNDREDS of jobs, in a wide range of industries, and I’m not getting any callbacks whatsoever. Most entry level positions here require 3 years of industry specific experience. No one is willing to take a chance with an untrained new hire
level 5
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2 points · 9 months ago
Have you done works related to the job you’ve applied? With my case as an example, before applying for the in-house marketer works, I’ve already had some experience and finished projects to show.
For marketing, it’s planning and managing events, running ads, handling social media pages, writing and directing a commercial clip… For design, it’s flyers, brochures, stickers… Then I chose the best works and attached them to my CV. Which means by the time I applied for my new job, I’ve already (1) had some projects done and (2) some “experience” in said fields.
level 3
3 points · 9 months ago
Clearly you liked history so you went that route… who uses history information? Universities, government, pre-uni schools, documentary companies, law?
level 3
3 points · 9 months ago
A lot of it is by trial and error to be frank. Different work experiences help us narrow down what we like and dislike about certain aspects of jobs.
The other posts about not finding/doing our one true calling still stands. But if you’re trying to find a career that fits you, maybe list out your priorities, what you like and dislike doing.
level 3
2 points · 9 months ago
A lot of times they’ll find out by taking a wide variety of courses in college and discover they like something in particular and go from there.
level 3
2 points · 9 months ago
They just try something. If you don’t like that, try something else. Repeat until you you find something you don’t hate and then find a path to something you like.
level 1
6 points · 9 months ago
I just did what I found enjoyable : Rockets and Robots were always cool when I was a kid. Then as I grew up it simply became a matter of finding an economically feasible approach to those things and to pursue the education needed.
What do you like to do? For fun? What are you passionate about? Determine those and focus you search on things that are tangential to that.
level 2
Original Poster11 points · 9 months ago
Most of my hobbies don’t really have much crossover into the world of employment
level 3
5 points · 9 months ago
They key is to find something tangential and economically feasible.
One of my buddy is an avid drummer, but he also has a family to take care of, so he went into the business of drum making – learned woodworking and the science behind drums. Now, he operates his own business making high quality custom drums for bands all across America. He doesn’t particularly enjoy the drum making part of his business, but it keeps him close to his passion while providing him a very comfortable lifestyle.
I also have a friend who does marketing for small Bourbon distilleries in Kentucky. She had very little interest in the marketing side of things – but it’s an easy major that she picked up in school and that she managed to tie back to her interest : Bourbon making!
What is your Number 1 Hobby or Interest? There is no such thing as a self-sufficient island. Everything needs makers, marketers, managers, testers, suppliers, salesman, engineers, designers etc.
level 4
Original Poster1 point · 9 months ago
The hobby I probably spend the MOST time with is MMA.
I also like real estate, which I suppose is a strange hobby, but I would also hate to be in the cutthroat agent side of things.
level 5
7 points · 9 months ago · edited 9 months ago
Dude.
MMA is bursting with opportunities. Just think of all the products involved with the sport. All the different sponsors and companies involved with any given UFC fight. All the admin people that are needed to run the organizations. Or gym. Or etc. Think of the trainers or the production crew for the events. Or the networks who are broadcasting the fights…
I think you get the point.
Don’t even get me started on Real Estate…
level 6
4 points · 9 months ago
No offense, but this sounds a lot like telling a kid to put all their eggs in the future pro football player basket. They have a Masters. They have a real shot if they pursue realistic goals.
level 7
3 points · 9 months ago
I wasn’t suggesting that they pursue the career path of a fighter.
OP mentioned not being qualified for much and having no direction. I was simply pointing out that their field of interest is freaking HUGE. A history masters isn’t optimal, so OP definitely has to think and look outside the box. He needs to target something more general that uses his critical thinking skills. These are realistic jobs and fields to research and pursue.
level 8
2 points · 9 months ago
I get your point. I guess I was just thinking more in terms of there being a limited number of related positions, with a high barrier for entry, and a large number of people interested.
level 6
Original Poster1 point · 9 months ago
Lol, well as far as real estate goes I’m more so interested in the idea of owning income-generating rental properties. But obviously this is not possible without an initial career, for finance reasons.
level 7
3 points · 9 months ago
Have you looked at starting out in property management for other folks? My family owns a multi-family complex in South Texas, but we offloaded the day to day managing to a third party company who employs a property manager for us.
level 4
1 point · 9 months ago
just saying that its so fucking privileged that you knew since childhood what you like so you just naturally fell into something thats super well paying and youre also enjoying it and good enough for it.
i have 0 passions, the things i thought could be something like a passion dont lead to a viable career path, and if i just did what i ‘like to do for fun’ then i got paid big bucks for chilling at home
level 1
6 points · 9 months ago
My suggestion would be pick something that gets you marketable skills. Then if you transition out, you ar least have something transferred.
In terms of degree, many times it’s a good idea to get a general but well known major. Business degrees are quite diverse. This is also why I chose to do my masters in Statistics. I could change careers ever 2 years until I retire and never run out of options.
That said, given your current situation have you thought about teaching? How about going back for a PhD, then being a professor?
If those do not appeal to you, do not feel limited by your degree. A friend of mine has a BA/MA in History and ended up getting a job at a major aircraft manufacturer. He had no relevant job skills but was given the job because he knew someone high enough in the company. He was trained on the job and became one of the supervisors favorite employees. He went back for a AS in Manufacturing Engineering, paid for by the company and now has a career completely unrelated to his degree. He’s not the only person I met there that started with an unrelated degree/training. I also have know people with psychology degrees that work in IT, etc. Make sure you take time to network, people severely underestimate the power of knowing someone.
Another avenue to a career is by picking a large diverse company and getting any job you’re qualified for there. Once you work the mandatory year you can typically apply internally to their positions. Many large companies offer tuition reimbursement and student loan repayment assistance. Use these programs to make yourself eligible for new roles. Doing a great job and internally networking can make these moves easier. A large diverse company would also give you an opportunity to try out a wider variety of roles.
level 2
Original Poster2 points · 9 months ago
Thank you for this. I HAVE considered teaching, and currently it’s probably what I’m leaning towards. However, I know I don’t have a passion for enriching the lives of children, or whatever, and I’m not sure if that’s important. The main thing that attracts me to teaching is that I know I can do it (I have experience as a TA during my masters), and where I’m from, it’s actually a very very high paying job. However, at this current time there are not a lot of openings for jobs, and I’m afraid I’d be waiting around for a position for a looong time after teachers college.
level 3
3 points · 9 months ago
I STRONGLY suggest against choosing a career based on your hobbies. Many people who do this feel like they lose their outlet and they no longer enjoy the activity. Passion can also be fleeting.
If you want to choose a new career I would start with what you’re naturally good at that has plenty of opportunities. Now select a subset from these careers that has the potential for a salary in whatever range you deem acceptable. Then drill down again to options that meet your time/convenience criteria (ie 40 hours per week, work from home options, etc.). That is where I would start.
Career enjoyment can be cultivated. I highly recommend reading So Good They Can’t Ignore You by Cal Newport to dive in further. Following passions can lead you down a never ending rabbit hole where you end up in the same place you are now, with more student debt and making little money.
level 1
3 points · 9 months ago
My life plan at 16-18 was get a political science degree, go to law school, make lots of money.
Got the poli sci degree at 22, while working in hospitals, moved across the country, worked a sudo tech job dealing with state regulations and securities filings, helped lead a database project for a state agency at 28, fucked off to Canada to get married at 30, and now at almost 32, I’m beginning a computer science degree with a minor in video game development. I know very few people who stick with their original plan. Good on those people. My mom found her career at 40 while my dad just fell into his via the air force and it just kind of stuck after he left, and he’s damn good at his job with skills only a handful of people have.
TL;DR don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not having shit figured out at 18, 25, 40, whatever. Baby boomers like to say the younger generation knows nothing but expects us to know what we want at 18. Fuck’em. Make sure you have a job you don’t absolutely hate, can pay your bills, have some fun, and explore things that interest you. If you change careers after 5, 10, or 15 years, oh well, do what makes you happy and keeps you financially where you want to be.
If you’re looking for ideas, maybe hit up job boards where you want to live and see what kind of jobs are available, look at their qualifications, and see what interests you. You might find something cool!
level 1
2 points · 9 months ago
I think that’s why there are internships to decide if you like what you have been preparing for.
And it’s not necessarily an unchangeable decision you make for the rest of your life, especially when you were 18, because things can change. When you are pressed to choose college major, it is in fact an opportunity to THINK seriously about what you wish to do in the future, and that thinking may change after you explore what is in your major. I assume you did not actively reflect on your choice or do internship to find out more, and you get stuck up with History. Or maybe you did not hate History, just did not find a good job out of it.
Either case, I guess that you can benefit from thinking about these two questions: “How do I want to use my knowledge to help others and benefit society” and “How comfortable I am dealing with the challenges of the choices I got from the first question”. And then, better your resume and CV to find a good job. As I said earlier, things can change. So wish you best luck.
level 2
Original Poster1 point · 9 months ago
You’re right, when I was 18 I kind of just panic-selected history, because I knew I wasn’t very good at math. I didn’t take it super seriously when I was there, but luckily I managed to get decent grades
level 3
2 points · 9 months ago
Sometimes if you have no idea what you want, maybe just stick the the ones available and try out. Eventually, you may find that you enjoy that thing more than you thought or that activity may lead you to explore related paths you did not know of. And as long as you don’t dread what you do, I believe you can find some ways to make that activity more enjoyable.
level 1
2 points · 9 months ago
I know for me, it was getting a job and figuring out what I liked about my job. Maybe not that specific job, but the types of skills associated with the job that I enjoyed. Then built from there. I went to school for archaeology, I now have a position as an entry level programmer/data analyst. I would never have guessed it from my degree, had no idea, but I really enjoy it. So focus on the types of skills you enjoy and look for jobs that utilize them.
level 1
2 points · 9 months ago
History major here as well. I skipped the Masters programs because by the time I graduated (2012) I was burnt out. Instead, I took a low paying job cleaning horses stalls, which I then turned into a maintenance position. Now I’m applying for the local pipefitters union.
I figured out I like the idea of learning history, and wasn’t in love with the academic side of the degree. Getting out in the real world showed me I’d much rather be outside doing and building things than being stuck behind a desk. I also discovered that I am particular enough for landscaping.
The best thing I can think of as advice is to try something and see if you like it, like if you think the trades appeal to you, look into volunteering at a habitat for humanity, it’ll let you see if it’s something you’d like to get into.
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2 points · 9 months ago
You don’t. Just think about what would make you happy for the next 1-2 years.
level 1
2 points · 9 months ago
Badly, mostly. I’d say go into the workplace. That tends to be a good way to figure out what you do and don’t like, very quickly. Then you can figure out what stands in the way of doing what you like, and go qualify.
level 1
2 points · 9 months ago
Most of us don’t get to choose what we “want to do”. Most of us have to choose a job that is available. Basically, it’s more about what someone will pay you to do than what you want to do.
You made a mistake. I think you know that. Honestly, at the point you’re at now, I wouldn’t try to go back and learn a completely different job. You can do it, sure, but that’s a lot more debt. With a history degree and a Masters, I would go into teaching. You might need some pedagogy courses and student teaching depending on how your state or country licenses teachers, but that could be done fairly quickly.
Learn to separate work from life. Do the fun things you want to do on your own time, and get comfortable going to work and making it through. You don’t have to love it. Work to live, don’t live to work. Even your “dream job” will still feel like going to work after a couple of weeks. If you would do it for free, no one would pay you to do it.
level 2
Original Poster1 point · 9 months ago
Yeah so teaching is actually something I’m considering. In Canada, it’s actually an extremely well paying profession, with some of the best benefits in the country. HOWEVER, due to my province’s current government, with massive cuts to education, new teachers are struggling to find work, which has me hesitant to go into it.
level 3
2 points · 9 months ago
I just hired three teachers from Spain on J-1 visas this year, because the US can’t get enough teachers. Even if you did a couple years in the US, then went back home, it’s something to consider.
level 1
2 points · 9 months ago
People make it seem as they do. Unless that person can articulate the things they’ve done wrong, learned, and tried again to determine WHY they’re doing what they’re doing, they’re likely trying to convince themselves they have rather than you
level 1
2 points · 9 months ago
You try different things and learn about what you like and don’t like. But most of all you put every ounce of effort you have into trying things.
Half assing anything will get you half assed results. As you and your interests change, you try something else
level 1
2 points · 9 months ago
Don’t. Just decide what to do next. And if you don’t love that, try something else. Noone says you have to do anything for any length of time. Except school. Stay in school.
level 1
2 points · 9 months ago
You don’t. Most people end up changing careers a few times in their life.
Thing is, it’s usually positive. It’s good to change your mind about what you want to do after trying things out.
level 2
Original Poster1 point · 9 months ago
I suppose. But it usually comes at a financial cost, no?
level 3
1 point · 9 months ago
No not at all. Certainly not if you already have a masters.
It’s gonna take some time. I was 28 before I really found a career track. Then it pivoted again at 31.
level 1
2 points · 9 months ago
Working is not an end initself. It is a means to an end.
Sometimes you need to work just to get by so you can play video games all weekend. Because ultimately the goal should be finding your happiness.
So find out what you want to do for the rest of your life then find out what you need to do to achieve that. Dont build your life around work, build your work around your life.
level 1
2 points · 9 months ago
You pick one thing, do it for a while, find something else, switch…now rinse and repeat.
level 1
2 points · 9 months ago
I’m 25 and trying to figure that out now. Any advice is greatly appreciated
level 1
2 points · 9 months ago
A lot of people say “we don’t” but that’s not true. I have a passion yearning to burn through something I love for a long time, if that makes sense.
level 3
2 points · 9 months ago
Haha…idk how to word it….I can’t wait to find what career is right for me that I can be passionate about the rest of my life. I’m looking forward to finding that.
level 1
2 points · 9 months ago
chiming in mainly because I feel like this post could have been written by me. I don’t have answers, but I can absolutely relate, and can share a little of what I’ve learned.
I have a bachelor’s and master’s in cultural anthropology (another humanities field that is interesting and provides critical thinking skills/writing skills, but no clear career path.) The master’s would have been a PhD but I quit the PHD program because I hated it and felt like academia was a terrible career choice. Now I’m in a similar boat to OP…I’ve done a couple of 9-5 jobs, mostly admin/social media communications, and was constantly thinking to myself how I could possibly move into a different role. I want to go into a new field entirely, but I am realizing how hard that is without actual credentials. The job market in my area (DC) is pretty good by most measures, but the issue I’ve encountered is that there are *tons* of admin jobs that offer low pay, and only a few more specialized, well-paying jobs, and those are a whole lot more competitive. Having transferable skills and several years of experience in a different field have not meant very much for those jobs — presumably because it is a lower risk to hire someone who already has skills experience in that field, than a career switcher. (even if the career switcher is more motivated to learn and grow..)
All of this basically echoes OP’s experiences; I promise I’m getting to the part that may be useful..
When I realized that I really hated the administrative nature of most of the jobs I’d be qualified for, I tried to think about what qualities or tasks I wanted to make up the better part of my day. I’ve been thinking that the one thing that might keep me engaged in a job of any kind would be if I could work directly with people, in some field where you help them or get to be a part of their story. I do NOT want to spend all day seated at a desk, if I can avoid it. Ideally, I’d spend more time interacting with humans than computers or documents— that is my new bottom line that I’m using to evaluate the jobs I apply to. However, the problem with any human services-type career is that they nearly all require degrees or certifications, which –like the others– I don’t want to invest vast amounts of energy and money into without knowing that I like it. SO, my strategy has been to look for ways to dip my feet into the waters in an entry level position in that field:
teaching: alternative certification programs exist — look at community colleges for example — where you can, for a much lower amount of money, take the tests and coursework you need to get certified. You can also work as as a substitute without a lot of credentials; that could be a way to figure out if its worth it to move forward with a degree/cert. Another thing I’ve considered is teaching on a volunteer basis as an ESL/TEFL teacher at a local community center — a way to get some experience and figure out if you like it. They need english classes and don’t require a TEFL license, but those are pretty fast and inexpensive, if you did want one.
counseling/therapy: because of confidentiality, this one is hard to try out. I’ve been looking into crisis support hotlines. They are entry-level and probably pretty low paying, but it could be a way to see if you have what it takes to handle mental health concerns and work with counseling patients.
higher education administration/student services: I worked as a TA in my grad program, like OP. That’s why I think teaching may be a fit, but I also think some student-facing role at a university could also work. It’d be nice to get to support students as they work towards their goals. I’ve been applying to student coaching roles/student advisor roles, program coordinator, stuff like that. [Side note: I think some of these jobs probably expect a degree in higher education administration, but many of them offer pretty low pay, and there are so many universities in my area, and each academic department needs its own (or even a team) of advisors to help all of its undergraduates pass through all their requirements. So I imagine that at some point, a person who knows how to successfully navigate academic degrees, plan their course requirements, and connect with undergrads is probably qualified enough. At least I hope so.]
…anyways. Probably best to take all of this with a grain of salt, since I’m also in the job search phase and haven’t figured it all out yet. But These have been my strategies for identifying some possibilities of careers that I don’t know if they will be my “passion” — (which, tbh, feels a bit like a capitalist lie to get us to swallow 40 hour work weeks…) but I think could be more sustainable, long-term career possibilities. In the meantime, I’m doing a seasonal retail job at a big-box store just to help with bills a little. It’s not ideal, but the other associates are great people.
level 1
2 points · 9 months ago
I’ve got a similar story and literally lead me to become a career coach to help people who went through a similar experience trying to delay “real life” as much as possible. Now I try and help coach ppl to figure out what they want to do and change to what they’re interested in. You can chat me if interested.
level 1
2 points · 9 months ago
Yeah see this is why I am 23 just graduated with a philosophy degree biology minor. Thinking about bio ethics. Taking a gap year to do…nothing. well okay, I’m actually getting counseling, reading books, getting in shape, and trying to start some hobbies.
level 1
2 points · 9 months ago
I mean, at some point we gotta work towards something. We only have like 70-90 years on earth typically, so I think it’s valid that the current norm is to start working towards something between 18-25.
That doesn’t mean you have to do one thing for the rest of your life. I think higher education is set up to teach you how to learn. It won’t give you every bit of knowledge about one topic, but open the door for you to continually teach yourself.
Choose something you’re mildly interested in and chase it, hard. Even if you find out you don’t love it, it will lead you somewhere. That somewhere will be your next beginning.
level 1
2 points · 9 months ago
There’s some overlap between careers, so just because you study one thing doesn’t mean you’re locked in that track for the rest of your life. If you figure you’re going to work for 40-50 years, you’ve got tons of time for a few different things.
If you’re a history major you probably know how to research and how to write, which are huge skills to have.
This quiz can help you identify types of work you might want to do, and research careers as well: https://www.mynextmove.org/explore/ip
level 1
2 points · 9 months ago
I have no idea. I love what I do but every job I’ve had I hated cause of my bosses. So who knows! I think management and your boss makes or breaks any job. If your boss sucks, the job will suck too.
level 1
2 points · 9 months ago
You try different things. If you really hate your job field typically you won’t last in it.
Sometimes a job is just that it’s a job to pay the bills. It something with decent benefits and work life balance.
Right now you can explore multiple careers because you don’t have many obligations so volunteer, job shadow, and intern. Networking is important no matter what career you end up in. Lastly, even if you hate the job leave with grace because it’s a small world and not worth burning bridges.
level 2
Original Poster1 point · 9 months ago
How does one go about asking to be a shadow? Do I just send out emails asking if I can walk around their office?
level 3
2 points · 9 months ago
Try calling the office and ask. People do like when others are interested in their field.
You may need to talk with HR. In some fields there are privacy issues which may be limiting but it’s worth asking.
In healthcare usually you can find volunteer opportunities at hospitals. Typically, most people who shadow do it for a school assignment at least in healthcare.
However at the non profit I used to work at if someone called to volunteer and was interested in a specific area that’s where I tried to put them. (I managed the office volunteers).
Usually you would be assigned to an individual or given a schedule of people to sit with for a bit.
The HR departments can share if they have intern or volunteer opportunities. To actually be able to shadow someone it helps to have a connection, like you already volunteer there and talked about your interest to learn more about what so and so does.
level 1
2 points · 9 months ago
I think you underestimate that everyone is content with their job. Most people work for money and in an area where they don’t mind suffering a little bit. Making your hobby or passion is a great way to disguise work. But if you have neither, try a bit of everything while you’re still young. Put yourself out of the comfort zone and see what you’re okay with, and you don’t have to love what you do but it helps. It also depends what you wanna do 9-5 and what your desk work entails. You’ll start out doing 9-5 before your future jobs are more entertaining.
level 1
2 points · 9 months ago
I’m 30 and am going to uni next year, did absymally in school, got a sense of what I like and what I’m good at over the last decade or so. Sometimes it just takes time.
level 1
2 points · 9 months ago
According to the great Joey Diaz you wont know what you want to do in life until you are 35. 18 is wayy too young. Even 21 is way too young to “go all in” for the rest of your life.
level 1
2 points · 9 months ago
When I finally thought of what I should try to do, I had 2 ideas, accounting and computers. I was good at math, and I knew how to use computers. Then I learned of this technical school that taught how to work with computers and get jobs in the industry. It was pretty cheap compared to even a community college, so I went the path of least resistance and passed with a 3.95 GPA. I started that path 5 years ago this month, and I never regretted it. I’ve had 2 jobs in the industry since and I’m going back to college to get a degree in Computer Science, and so far, it’s been a breeze.
My advice is go with the flow. Figure out what you are good at, or can even do for hours each day, and go with that. Find what’s best available for you to learn, and really push yourself to get started with something. Just know that when you start a field, in 5 years, you’ll have your plan.
level 1
2 points · 9 months ago
Some people do, some don’t. I knew what I wanted to do before I finished highschool.
level 1
2 points · 9 months ago
I have a friend who studied computer science in college. After graduating, he became a car salesman and worked up until he became a supervisor for several branches. He was good at talking with people. Then he quit and became an airline steward. You don’t have to be restricted by what you studied in college.
level 1
2 points · 9 months ago
Just keep putting ober foot in front of the other. Whatever you do, keep moving forward. You’ll end up somewhere you never expected. If you look down and don’t like where your feet are, keep moving.
level 1
2 points · 9 months ago
Sounds like you’ve been in school for a while.
Since you gave your college all your money anyway, get as much support as you possibly can from your career services department.
Can they connect you with alumni for informational interviews? Can they review your resume and prep you? Does the history department specifically need any research assistants?
I would also consider looking at think tank or research organizations who typically require a masters and do a fair amount of research – although this is significantly easier if you’re in a major city.
Best of luck!
level 1
2 points · 9 months ago
Do you have friends with careers? Can’t you talk to them and see how they are doing in their respective jobs and careers? It’s hard to decide what you want to do when you are entering college, but by the time you finish, people usually have social circle of working friends and some experience to help them navigate the job world. I recommend against you doing another full degree, but maybe take a course or two in things like web design or coding if you think you can break into computer science world. If you rather work with your hands and build things, take CNC machining or manufacturing course or two at Community College and see if you can get into manufacturing world. If you have the personality for it, go for sales. It can be fun. Don’t waste your time in school. Academic world is isolated and nothing really replaces real life experience.
I did freaking math degree, but now work as electronic engineer. It was a big transition, but pay was good and I got lucky when I found entry level job at big company. Big companies are usually willing to train unlike small companies that are pinching pennies to survive.
Another job path I know is to go into government jobs. There are so many government jobs that are willing to train people. If you learn the ropes, some of those jobs are recession proof and has great benefits.
level 1
2 points · 9 months ago
It’s such bullshit that we have to figure things out so young like that. It took me working various jobs from 20-30’s to figure out what my strengths and weaknesses and my likes and dislikes. And you know what? None of that shit is what I thought it would be when I was 18.
level 2
Original Poster2 points · 9 months ago
Exactly. It’s a mystery to me how the entire population isn’t profoundly depressed.
level 1
2 points · 9 months ago
Hello~ doing my masters so I totally get you. I’ll give you a little advice I’ve been trying to give myself. To give one decision the weight of “for the rest of your life” is suuuper heavy. Don’t do that. When you feel the pressure, remember that people change careers all the time, at various ages. What you’re looking for right now is “what’s a job I won’t be miserable in?” Something that you have somewhat of an interest in. You don’t have to be passionate. You don’t have to make it your life. It just has to hold enough interest for you to add some meaning to the work. If you’re having trouble figuring it out, do some career aptitude tests And evaluate your strengths. Then get involved in something (work whatever, volunteer, community stuff etc). People are telling you to try various things because that’s the best way to give you a clear picture of what you’ll be good at, what you’ll be interested in, what you’ll somewhat enjoy. Sooner or later, you’ll figure it out. In the meantime, don’t focus on this question too much. the most productive thing you can do is to put yourself out there and live.
level 1
2 points · 9 months ago
Like a lot of other have said, most people (if not a majority) don’t really do that.
They pick a major, learn a skill, and end up in a career that gives them an outcome that they either love or can tolerate. Some don’t get that result and move into other fields or move within a company they work for
I personally have another take on it though, and let me ask you a question to explain
How do you know what sport you will love to play?
Sure some will look more interesting than others, but the thing that makes something your favorite sport is learning to master it. There may also be many that you will like a lot
I think the same goes for a career. It’s hard to know ahead of time what your “absolute favorite” career would be, and that’s ok! There are probably a lot of options that, once you get in the field and develop expertise, you will begin to get some level of satisfaction from
For me, this started off in waiting tables, then moved to sales where I have been for the last few years, and now I know that I want to be part of a company I help build, particularly my focus being on marketing and setting up the sales processes.
The psychology fascinates me and I love the strategy and tactics needed to have it work well
I would have never known that it was what I would have enjoyed 6 years ago, but I started somewhere, and kept an eye towards the future of something I could do I truly enjoy and can also give myself the life I want
This path looks different for everyone, and we all have different roads ahead of us, but the first thing you need to do is start moving forward.
Think about the things you enjoy. Do you like making other people happy? Do you enjoy technology? Do you like bigger picture planning and strategy?
I don’t have a simple guide for you, but look at career paths that line up with what you naturally enjoy, and then continue to look at other areas within that broader category that help you get closer to the “perfect” job.
It’s more of a journey than a destination
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2 points · 9 months ago
I want to make a disclaimer that I’m just as lost as everyone else. Luckily for me, I have read quite a bit about this topic and I hope that someone finds value in something I have to say.
The only people who should go to school in the modern age are people who want to pursue academics for it’s own sake, not as a means to an end.
The truth is, no one has enough money and no one likes what they do without intentionally willing themselves to enjoy their labor.
If you want to make money, read about finances. Become financially literate. Learn how the stock market works, how banking works, how capitalism works, learn about money and learn how to control it. Everyone has the ability to save and multiply their net worth.
If you want a job that is fullfilling for you, stop worrying so much about what you do, and start thinking about why you do it. If you find an answer to that question, you have just discovered something incredibly valuable. It is called meaning.
Some other elements that contribute to job satisfaction are: Do you feel that you will be treated fairly? Do you feel that your work is valued by the people around you? Do you have more than one person at your work site who you spend time with outside of work? How easily can you enter into the “flow state” (google it if you’re not familiar) while performing your usual tasks? Are you able to excersize your creativity at work?
Finaly, remember that work isn’t everything. Psychologists have developed the concept of a “third place”. A third place is somewhere you go often, not including work or home, where people know your name. Somewhere that people would notice if you stopped showing up. It could be a club, a bar, a gym, charity work, religious groups, a park, some type of class, anything really. It just has to be somewhere that you physically spend time often, and ideally it should help you relax and socialize without too much commitment expected of you.
I believe that if you base your decisions on these considerations, you will find more fullfillment in your life.
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2 points · 9 months ago
it’s self discovery, it’s like choosing your most favorite struggle. Letting my passion drive me is what made me decide. cliche but idk ut worked for me
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2 points · 9 months ago
I haven’t. Ive been a a pilot for 12 years making higher than average wage and I’m about to drop it all to start a mushroom farm.
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2 points · 9 months ago
Depends on a lot. Can even be influenced by your needs, your desires, your affinity toward happiness, your affinity toward meaning, and responsibility.. your gender, your past life, your dreams, your family. As a man, I’ve realized late in life that on my death bed, if I had had to choose between passion fulfillment and responsibility, I’d choose responsibility. So, at nearly 30, though I’d like to start an associate’s degree in something like drug therapy or graphic design, I know that getting into either of those careers late would land me an entry level job paying the same amount I’m making now, AFTER spending 2yrs in school full time. Good luck starting a family by 35 with those prospects. My best bet, if I want to fall in love with a good mother figure and start a family, is to continue saving at near psychotic levels and increase my income in as little time as possible. If I can do that, I can at least help provide for a wife and a kid.
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2 points · 9 months ago
Work on yourself to try and figure out what sort of things excite you and you are passionate about. I was similar to you when I chose to continue with my Masters although I also never wanted to go back to studying once I was graduated. I worked in the industry that I studied (Engineering) for and then changed 5 years later doing something totally different. So I would say it all varies from person to person and things will also change down the line. Just don’t compare yourself to others and try and live their lives, try new things and find what works for you. What you enjoying doing today you may grow out of later in the future, a career is not a life sentence. Work on yourself, find your core values and Identity and take it from there, only you can do this no one else can.
Take care & keep positive.
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2 points · 9 months ago
Find some hobbies that you like e.g. painting, woodwork, fishing, etc. and try to find jobs that involve those activities. If you can’t find hobbies, join community events and gatherings to discover more potential. Make friends and ask them about their hobbies, their jobs. Go to a career advisor. There are so many more jobs in the world than you can see in this society that says we have to have a ‘normal’ job. There are so many things you can do to find the right career for you. If you’re not qualified for the job, train for it.
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2 points · 9 months ago
You don’t. Instead, you do things to create options such as learning new skills and meeting interesting people. You also invest to buy time and future income which opens up the option of not having to do much of anything.
Most importantly you recognize trade offs. For instance, if I want to pursue my dream of say…being a gender studies professional (as an example) then I should expect to not get paid much if at all. If I look at the option of being an accountant or project manager then I should expect some boring work but decent pay to fund retirement and other objectives. It doesn’t end at career choices. Just look at the poor trade offs made by inbound college students who seek out crappy sociology majors and compare them against those who sought comp sci or finance.
You don’t have to be stuck with anything for life. You just need to have a good idea of the consequences of your actions.
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Original Poster3 points · 9 months ago
Yeah I think something I need to admit to myself is that most people don’t actually love their jobs (unless you’re really lucky).
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2 points · 9 months ago
They don’t.People fall into predestined paths.
For example nerdy math kids at school go on to become engineers and programmers, etc.
The athletically gifted become pro athletes or fail and get normal jobs.
And so on and so forth.
The people that actually “figure out a path” analytically and will themselves onto that path are rare.
Lots of the time, children do similar things as their parents, more or less. Stay in the same social class, etc. People that transcend everything and do totally new things are rare.
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2 points · 9 months ago
I think the important thing in life, as an addendum to my original post, is to be really constantly aware of the things within our control and the things out of our control.
Quickly you realise in life, that many things are out of our control and that the span of what is in our control is limited in scope, and also changes according to time.
If you are really aware of what you can control/decide, and act upon it repeatedly, you can go very far in life. The problem is people constantly find themselves lost and confused, as they can’t differentiate between the things they can control or not.
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1 point · 9 months ago
You got a lot of comments to sift through so I’ll try not to be to repetative.
But here’s the reality. Sounding like an old man (I’m 37), your life will take a ton of turns you don’t see coming in the next 10 years that will dictate where and how you work.
Me? I met my future wife and she got a great job working for our state government to the point, we knew we were staying in this area for the next 25-30 years. So it was on me to adapt and find my niche as a dual major grad in History Education and Comm/Journ. And both degrees were almost trash because I learned quickly I didn’t want to teach for the rest of my life, and my comm degree was in PRINT journalism as social media hit the world about 5 months after I graduated.
It honestly took me almost ten years to find my role, where I actually help direct Career Services now. I utilize both my degrees in this role and found through various positions I do great as a communicator and developing relationships.
So I would not get so hung up on “what do I do for the rest of my life”. Your first jobs, your future as a husband and a father, the economy and the area you live in will all be determining factors.
Now…onto your history degree. The good news is you have transferable skills if you don’t want that field such as research…likely a fair bit of writing…studying details etc.
You could look to get an emergency certification, which many states are now issuing out like candy due to teacher shortages. You could go get a ph.d with the idea of either teaching or being a researcher that does papers, books etc.
You could look to work at a museum, apply to the Fed Gov’t to be a park ranger, be a tour guide for some historical building, join a non-profit focused on history in some form etc etc
The world is really your oyster. If you’re overwhelmed, go try O-Net at www.onetonline.org You can learn of some alternative positions, get salary guides, employment trends etc and take some free skill assessments.
I hope this helps!
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1 point · 9 months ago
22. I always liked psych and crime so I went to uni to do psychology and sociology. Got a job whilst in uni in tech sales, really liked the tech side of things in a . Got a job in HR in a tech company and hoping to start a tech grad programme in the same company soon.
Sometimes you’ve just gotta try stuff until you find something you don’t absolutely hate
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1 point · 9 months ago
I think something to keep in mind is that you don’t have to do 1 job for the rest of your life. Many people change jobs multiple times, and many in non related fields. Don’t be afraid to try out things, and be ok with understanding if something just isn’t for you. It’s sometimes easier to know exactly what you don’t want to be doing then what you want to do for the rest of your life. That could be your first step.
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1 point · 9 months ago · edited 9 months ago
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We don’t.
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Feel free to change your path at any time.
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Consider certifications.
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A Hisrory Master’s is best targeted to be a history professor, University researcher, “expert” speaker, Museum staff, curator, director, maybe anthropology or archeology…
Have you considered grant writing to get funding to study/investigate history to find new information or improve accuracy of existing information? Work for yourself, gain stature. I can’t stress enough, the importance of maintaining history or else it be “doomed to repeat itself.” Today is history in the making… Repeating… Never ending scape goating and genocide…
(tangent) Polls show millenials (I am one) are so tired of Democracy, they would rather be Communists, because they simply do not see the difference in the ideals of Marxism, being irrelevant to systems of government and economic operations. As long as people who seek control, gain power and become corrupt, it doesn’t matter what government structure you have.
China is a communist dictatorship with a corrupt bureaucracy but, near true free market, capitalist economy. The government performs heinous acts (genocide, involuntary organ harvesting of the incarcerated, unquestionable eminent domain, facial recognition and direct access to whatsapp bank accounts), to achieve its version of order. It essentially “owns” all technology but, promotes innovation by not enforcing stifling patents or placing barriers to business. Corporations can treat employees like disposable property but, anybody can set up a table and sell bootleg iphones, improved from the blue print/scamatics they stole from the plant when they quit, because all the government wants is global economic superiority.
In America, we have a Democracy with a faulty electoral system and an elected president who praises dictatorship and behaves like one (Thank our system of checks and balances). We have “free market” capitalism, with patents that would bancrupt anyone who comes up with an item too similar to an existing one, especially if it’s better. The barriers to business ownership are greater, if not only due to licensure, the IRS, arbitrary laws with ridiculous loopholes, a broken immigration system and corporations that will not have their bottom line challenged. They will buy or destroy competition and band together to rape out wallets (looking at you, telecom industry), leach every red cent from their own “disposable” employees… They also control enough of the government to get what they want.
We could have a Socialist Democracy but, too many people have the “me, mine, F-you” mentality. Those in poverty to middle classes, who fear socialism, are best to remember that most of you are one paycheck closer to homelessness than they are to being billionaires so, stop protecting them as though it will benefit you in any way.
That tangent aside, I just hired a professional resume writer and, the responses have been a stark contrast to my own version. I will also say, having a wage slave job is not optimal to having my own business, (one that does not hugely impact another corporation’s bottom line) but, I haven’t had the motivation to go it alone, due to a perceived notion of lacking capital, with no desire seek funding that indebts me to some heartless financial capitalist and oh! Slowy learning the arbitrary loopholes that would allow me to sell a food product zero FDA oversite, as long as I don’t label it “organic.”
3 years experience for entry level “or x degree equivalent,” is just there to frighten the weak.
You were miserable as a receptionist and, most jobs working for someone else will make you miserable. Most of us, if not lucky enough to work with awesome people, at a company that treats it’s human assets like people, are unhappy at work. The best course of action is to call a shitty job, a means to an end and not stake your happiness on what likely consumes less than 40% of your waking life.
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1 point · 9 months ago
I don’t know what you’re interested I but law and teaching seem to be the direction your headed. Are you interested in either, or getting a PhD/JD?
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1 point · 9 months ago
Honestly you should never look at your degree as a FINAL JOB for the REST OF YOUR LIFE we only LIVE ONCE. What I would be doing if I was you was researching every possible source of passive income you could ever do. From real estate wholesaling to online retail. There are dozens of WAYS to make money beside some degree. IF THIS INTEREST YOU I recommend reading RICH DAD POOR DAD IF YOU REALLY WANT TO FIND YOUR PASSION. The world is changing and so should you. WE AS A SOCIETY HAVE NO TIME TO LOOK “BACK” AT THINGS, WE ARE IN AN ERA OF TECHNOLOGICAL INNOVATION, BE REALISTIC WITH YOURSELF ON HOW FAR A MASTERS IN HISTORY IS GOING TO GET YOU IN THE WORLD.
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1 point · 9 months ago
Honestly you should never look at your degree as a FINAL JOB for the REST OF YOUR LIFE we only LIVE ONCE. What I would be doing if I was you was researching every possible source of passive income you could ever do. From real estate wholesaling to online retail. There are dozens of WAYS to make money beside some degree. IF THIS INTEREST YOU I recommend reading RICH DAD POOR DAD IF YOU REALLY WANT TO FIND YOUR PASSION. The world is changing and so should you. WE AS A SOCIETY HAVE NO TIME TO LOOK “BACK” AT THINGS, WE ARE IN AN ERA OF TECHNOLOGICAL INNOVATION, BE REALISTIC WITH YOURSELF ON HOW FAR A MASTERS IN HISTORY IS GOING TO GET YOU IN THE WORLD.
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1 point · 9 months ago
Personally I tried community college and found out that college wasn’t for me. For a while I wasn’t sure what to do. I’ve always been good with my hands so I figured why not research the trades. I ended up going to welding school and became a certified welder. Not only is it something I was interested in and enjoyed but part of my decision was that it also fit my counties demand for people to join the trades. Business is booming and if you get into a union you make $40+/hr as a journeyman
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1 point · 8 months ago
I’ve developed a 20-minute exercise that will help you narrow down and eventually identify your dream job. Try it and let me know what you think! https://www.sector-switch.com/post/the-highlighter-exercise
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1 point · 7 months ago
The way I decided is that I was lucky enough to figure out what I’m good at and make money out of it. Usually when you’re really good at something, you don’t hate doing it, especially when it makes you a good amount of money.
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1 point · 9 months ago
When we’re dumb hormonal teenagers at 18 we’re forced to make a decision that will affect the rest of our lives
If this is how it was presented to you, it’s wrong. Hiding out in academia for your masters is on you, though.
I’d say sign up with a temp agency to get admin work until you find a place you like. You might be surprised at how much the people you work with affect how miserable it feels.
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-1 points · 9 months ago
If you’d like to download a hard copy of my article you can download it from my site.
How to Find and Develop Your Passion in Life
How do people find their passion? That thing that makes them get out of bed every morning excited to face the day? Did they always know what it was or did they learn later in life?
First of all, your passion is not necessarily going to be what you do for a living. You can be great at your job even if it’s not what your passionate about. So let’s divide this exercise into two parts: FINDING YOUR PASSION and FINDING A JOB YOU ARE OK WITH AND THAT ENABLES YOU TO PURSUE YOUR PASSION.
Take a Deep Breath Before we begin we have to be aware that you’re going to feel some discomfort at some point during the exercise. Fear, insecurities, impostor syndrome, what ifs. That’s all normal because change is hard, you’ve probably been in your comfort zone of misery at your job or in your present lifestyle for a while and it’s hard to push yourself out of that comfort zone. For now, just ignore the discomfort. Later we’ll deal with your limits, how far you’re willing to venture out of the zone.
Next, turn off your NEGATIVE SELF-TALK. It’s going to want to say things like, “I could learn how to dance. I’ve always wanted to do that. But there’s no way I can become a dancer at my age!” or “I’ve always wanted to learn how to fly a plane. But it must be so hard. I don’t think I have the time. Plus it must be expensive.” Finding your passion is about taking action not about listening to that negative little voice in your head that keeps you paralized with fear and doubt. It’s not about practicalities right now. It’s about finding out what your passion is and whether your passion is going to be a part of your job or something you do outside of your work.
Steps to Your Passion Get a notebook and let’s get started!
What would you be willing to do without getting paid? What can you do for hours without getting bored? How would you spend your time if money weren’t a problem? What do you love to talk about when you’re with friends? Who are you jealous of because of the job they have? Look back at your life and identify moments when you felt great. What were you doing? What elements combined to make those moments great?
Have you considered that your passion may be something you haven’t tried yet? If you’ve lived in your comfort zone for a long time, chances are you haven’t tried new things much. What things have you always wanted to try but haven’t yet? Painting? Learning a language? Writing a book?
What things have you done that you’re proud of?
Close your eyes and imagine yourself 5 years in the future. What are you doing? What lifestyle are you living?
Time to Do Some Cooking Now, start combining hard skills, soft skills and the traits mentioned by the people who know you best.
Let’s imagine these are all ingredients and if we combine some of them, we can bake a cake, if we combine others, we can prepare a salad. They’re not the same food, but they’re both delicious. For example, I speak 3 languages + I’m diplomatic + I love to travel = I can be a foreign language teacher abroad. On the other hand, I’m organized + I’m a good writer + I love reading = I can become a freelance editor or copywriter.
As you can see, those are two very different jobs, yet we arrived at both of them combining my different skills.
Steps to Finding the Job You’re OK with As mentioned before, it may turn out that your passion is not your job and that’s fine. That’s true for most of us. But it’s important to find work that doesn’t make you miserable. So let’s go back to the notebook!
List the jobs you definitely do not want to do or would even consider.
Make a list of your HARD skills. These are measurable abilities, school learned abilities such as writing, reading, math, using computer software.
Make a list of your SOFT skills. Traits such as etiquette, diplomacy, communication, listening, getting along with people.
Talk to your friends and family and ask them to (honestly!) describe your personality. Take notes.
What were you good at in school/college (it doesn’t matter if you liked it or not)? What have you been good at in the jobs you’ve had throughout your life? What matters to you the most when it comes to a career/job: The salary? The hours? The work environment? Doing something you excel at?
Your Passion Be flexible. A study by Stanford psychologists found that most people have the mistaken belief that a passion is something you find easy to do. When people pursued their passion and encountered challenges, they gave up. The researchers further studied mindsets about interests in an experiment where a group of students who identified as “techie” or “artsy” were given two articles to read, one tech related and the other related to the humanities.
Students who had a fixed mindset about their interests were less open to reading an article that was outside their area. Unfortunately, focusing one one area could prevent you from finding your passion, which could happen when you bring different fields together, when you see connections between fields that you might not have thought of before.
A Growth Mindset is More Likely to Lead to Your Passion In another experiment, researchers showed students an interesting video about the origin of the universe. Most students were fascinated. Then they were asked to read a challenging scientific article on the same topic. A lot of students lost their initial excitement and the ones whose enthusiasm for the topic dropped completely were those who had a fixed mindset about their interest. People who may be interested in a subject can change their mind when it becomes too challenging.
“Develop” Instead of “Find” Researchers concluded that “Developing your Passion” is more appropriate than “Finding Your Passion,” because development requires commitment, seeing things through even when they become difficult.
Another path to your passion can be developing valuable skills that will lead to greater career satisfaction because you’ll be financially stable and more likely to develop a passion for a field you’ve cultivated deep expertise in. In other words, first establish the lifestyle you want for yourself and then fit a career around your vision. First get your basic needs taken care of by creating a plan for your life and part of that plan is the development of your Passion.
Passion Still Requires Discipline But no matter which approach you choose to follow, you will never develop your passion if you keep switching directions and following every shiny object that crosses your path.
Even if they have a natural talent, ballet dancers invest years of discipline and hard work on their passion. So do athletes. So do millionaires. And so will YOU.
Now step back and look at the big picture. Is your passion something you can incorporate into your career/job?
Is it something you will be doing on your personal time, after you do your work at a job that is just FINE; it’s not your passion, but it allows you to live well and pursue your passion?